PODCAST-E72 - Nervous System Regulation for Chronic Illness with Lindsay Wolff

June 27, 2025
What happens when a vibrant college athlete and outdoor enthusiast suddenly finds herself bedridden, navigating a maze of unexplained symptoms and conflicting diagnoses? For Lindsay Wolff, certified health coach and Primal Trust mentor, this devastating health crisis became the catalyst for a profound journey of discovery—one that would ultimately lead her to become a guide for others trapped in the cycle of chronic illness.

In a recent episode of the Red Beard Embodiment Podcast, host Alex Greene sat down with Lindsay to explore her remarkable transformation from chronic illness survivor to healing facilitator. Their conversation unveils the often-overlooked connection between nervous system dysregulation and persistent health challenges, offering a roadmap for those who feel lost in the conventional medical system. Lindsay's story illuminates a crucial truth: sometimes the path to healing requires us to look beyond supplements and prescriptions, inviting us instead to reconnect with the innate wisdom of our bodies and nervous systems.

The Algorithm of Chronic Illness

Lindsay describes what she calls the "algorithm" of chronic illness—a pattern she has observed repeatedly among those who enter the Primal Trust community. This framework provides a radically different lens through which to understand persistent health challenges, one that acknowledges the profound interconnection between psychological stress and physical symptoms.

The pattern typically begins with an intense stressful event or repressed emotional experience that creates nervous system dysregulation. This initial dysregulation may not immediately manifest as obvious illness, but subtle changes begin occurring in the body—dry eyes, digestive shifts, or increased sensitivity to environmental factors. The nervous system, stuck in a state of chronic activation or shutdown, loses its natural capacity to return to regulation. Then comes the trigger—often an exposure to mold, a viral infection, or chemical sensitivity—that pushes the already-compromised system past a tipping point into full-blown chronic illness.

What makes this understanding revolutionary is that it reframes chronic conditions not as purely physical malfunctions requiring only physical interventions, but as whole-system responses involving both body and psyche. Lindsay explains that this framework isn't typically discussed in allopathic medicine, which tends to compartmentalize symptoms and treat them in isolation. Her own journey exemplifies this pattern: the intense stress she experienced in college began quietly dysregulating her nervous system, and years later, mold exposure became the final stressor that crashed her entire system. This perspective doesn't dismiss the reality of physical illness—rather, it expands our understanding to include the nervous system as a central player in both the development and resolution of chronic conditions.

The Primal Trust Framework - A Comprehensive Approach

The Primal Trust Program, founded by Dr. Kathleen King, offers a uniquely comprehensive three-level framework that has become Lindsay's primary healing modality and professional focus. What distinguishes Primal Trust from other brain retraining programs is its careful pacing and integration of multiple therapeutic approaches, creating a complete curriculum for nervous system regulation and chronic illness recovery.

Level One focuses on what Lindsay calls "bottom-up practices"—somatic interventions that work directly with the body and nervous system. These include TRE (Trauma Release Exercises), functional neurology eye movements, breathwork, and visualization techniques, all grounded in polyvagal theory. Rather than overwhelming participants with information, the program introduces tools gradually, allowing people to discover which practices resonate most with their unique nervous systems. Lindsay emphasizes the empowering nature of these practices: participants learn to create calm in their systems without needing supplements, consultations, or external dependencies. The approach is likened to "snacking on these tools all day," integrating brief moments of regulation throughout daily life rather than requiring lengthy therapeutic sessions.

Level Two deepens the work by addressing the emotional and psychological roots of nervous system dysregulation. This phase introduces what Primal Trust calls the "Adult Main Personality"—similar to the concept of Self in Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy—which represents our wise, regulated consciousness capable of holding and processing difficult emotions. Participants engage in parts work, exploring how experiences like people-pleasing, perfectionism, or childhood trauma continue to burden the nervous system. Lindsay explains that the somatic practices in Level One essentially train the physiology to handle the deeper emotional processing required in Level Two, creating a foundation of safety from which to explore challenging psychological territory. Level Three expands into values-based living, the hero's journey framework, and techniques like Nicole Sachs' Journal Speak for emotional release—creating a truly holistic path to recovery and thriving.

TRE - Bridging the Mind-Body Divorce

Lindsay's discovery of TRE (Trauma Release Exercises) represents a pivotal turning point in her healing journey, one that bridged what she powerfully describes as the "mind-body divorce" of chronic illness. After years of being trapped in the cognitive, analytical world of medical protocols—testing for biofilms, managing supplement regimens, tracking antibiotics—TRE offered her a direct pathway back into embodied experience and sensation.

She recalls finding a flyer on a street in St. Louis advertising a TRE workshop focused on "releasing tension and trauma from the body." The experience of accessing involuntary tremoring was revelatory: "I almost get emotional even thinking about that day," Lindsay shares, "because it was talking about coming back to our true nature, like the repression of this expression in the body." The practice awakened something fundamental—a recognition that her body held its own intelligence and capacity for release, independent of cognitive understanding or medical intervention. This discovery challenged everything she had been taught about healing, which had centered almost entirely on external solutions and mental analysis.

What makes TRE particularly valuable for the chronically ill population, Lindsay explains, is its ability to facilitate physical and emotional release without necessarily requiring people to intellectually process their trauma stories. The tremoring allows for natural discharge of survival energy held in the tissues—what she refers to as the body's way of unwinding fascial tension and bracing patterns that accumulate during prolonged stress and illness. For sensitive nervous systems that are already overwhelmed, this bottom-up approach offers a gentler entry point into healing. Lindsay continues to practice tremoring daily in small doses, finding it essential for maintaining her regulation. Her experience demonstrates that sometimes the most profound healing happens not through understanding our problems more deeply, but through reconnecting with our bodies' innate capacity for self-regulation and release.

Highlight 4: Titration and Dosing for Sensitive Systems

One of the most crucial insights Lindsay and Alex discuss is the importance of titrating somatic practices—particularly tremoring—for individuals with sensitive nervous systems and chronic health conditions. This concept of "less is more" challenges the cultural tendency to push harder and do more, offering instead a paradigm of gentleness and attunement that honors the body's current capacity.

Lindsay describes her own approach of starting tremoring sessions with slow-tempo music, allowing her body to gradually unwind before building to more energetic releases. She might begin with just her hand tremoring, releasing tension from computer work, rather than jumping into full-body tremoring. This graduated approach sends crucial safety signals to the nervous system, demonstrating that the practice won't overwhelm or destabilize. For many people entering Primal Trust who are in what polyvagal theory calls a "dorsal vagal shutdown state"—deeply frozen and disconnected—gentle, titrated exposure to tremoring helps them slowly build capacity without triggering symptom flares or system overwhelm.

Alex emphasizes that his work with the Primal Trust community and others with chronic conditions has taught him to release assumptions about "correct" dosing. Some people may benefit from just 30 to 60 seconds of tremoring initially, observing how that reverberates through their system before gradually expanding their practice as capacity builds. This individualized approach contrasts with one-size-fits-all protocols and requires practitioners and participants to develop deep attunement with their bodies' feedback. Lindsay shares that clients sometimes express fear about tremoring after seeing dramatic releases on social media, highlighting the importance of understanding that healing isn't always—or even usually—about big cathartic breakthroughs. Instead, it's about consistent, manageable doses of regulation that slowly expand the nervous system's window of tolerance. This philosophy of titration extends beyond TRE to all aspects of the Primal Trust program, creating a sustainable path forward for even the most sensitized systems.

Identity, Nature, and True Self Recovery

Beyond the physiological aspects of chronic illness recovery, Lindsay speaks powerfully about the identity crisis that accompanies losing one's health and the subsequent journey of rediscovering one's true nature. This psychological and existential dimension of healing is often overlooked in conventional medical approaches but proves essential for sustained recovery.

When Lindsay's health crashed, she lost not just her physical capabilities but her entire sense of self. As an active student-athlete and wilderness guide, her identity was deeply enmeshed with her physical vitality. Becoming bedridden forced a profound reckoning: "Who are you when your health is taken away?" she asks. This identity dissolution, while devastating, ultimately created space for a deeper self-inquiry. Through her recovery process, Lindsay discovered that healing required more than restoring her previous self—it demanded discovering her authentic nature beneath the conditioning, expectations, and roles she had inherited. The Primal Trust framework explicitly addresses this through work on the "true self" and living in alignment with one's values and integrity.

Lindsay also emphasizes the profound importance of nature—both the natural environment and one's own intrinsic nature—in her recovery. Living on a farm near the ocean in Washington State, surrounded by the Cascade Mountains, initiated her healing in ways that no supplement could match. This experience taught her that sensitive nervous systems often desperately need connection with the natural world, even for those who don't identify as "nature people." Our modern environments, she explains, are fundamentally foreign to our ancestral DNA, creating a constant low-level stress that sensitive systems cannot tolerate. Beyond physical nature, Lindsay stresses the necessity of living in alignment with one's "true nature"—making choices that honor one's authentic needs and desires. For sensitive individuals, every decision that contradicts their inner truth registers as stress in the nervous system. The journey of chronic illness recovery, then, becomes not just about symptom reduction but about the profound work of rediscovering who you truly are and building a life that reflects that truth—a transformation that extends far beyond physical health into meaning, purpose, and wholeness.

Creating Safety Through Community and Practice

Throughout the conversation, the theme of safety emerges as foundational to nervous system regulation and chronic illness recovery. Lindsay illuminates how Primal Trust creates multiple layers of safety—physiological, emotional, relational—that enable participants to heal in sustainable ways that honor their individual needs and pace.

Physiologically, the program builds safety through consistent practice of bottom-up regulation tools. Lindsay describes this as "re-parenting the nervous system," showing it through repeated experience that regulation is possible and accessible. Rather than demanding hour-long daily commitments, Primal Trust encourages "snacking" on tools throughout the day—brief moments of eye movements, breathwork, or self-havening that cumulatively teach the nervous system a new baseline. This approach recognizes that for sensitized systems, even helpful practices can become overwhelming if not properly dosed. The emphasis on titration, gentleness, and individual attunement communicates safety at every level, allowing participants to trust that they won't be pushed beyond their window of tolerance.

Equally important is the relational safety created through community and mentorship. Lindsay highlights that Primal Trust is developing cohort-based experiences where participants journey together with trained guides, preventing people from feeling lost in an overwhelming sea of content. The availability of one-on-one mentoring, group coaching, and buddy systems addresses the reality that healing from chronic illness can be profoundly isolating. Having others who understand the unique challenges of nervous system dysregulation and complex health conditions normalizes the experience and provides crucial co-regulation. Lindsay's own greatest credential, she explains, is having lived through a decade of the chronic illness journey herself—this lived experience creates a quality of understanding and presence that purely academic knowledge cannot replicate. The upcoming December workshop she's offering through Neurogenic Integration exemplifies this commitment to accessible, supportive learning environments where people can experiment with practices in real-time and discover what works for their unique systems. This multi-dimensional approach to creating safety recognizes that healing happens not in isolation but in the context of supportive relationships, practical tools, and compassionate guidance—all essential ingredients for sustainable recovery.

Hope Through Embodied Wisdom

Lindsay Wolf's journey from debilitating chronic illness to thriving health practitioner offers profound hope for anyone navigating complex health challenges. Her story demonstrates that recovery is possible—not through finding the perfect supplement protocol or the right diagnosis, but through reconnecting with the body's innate wisdom and capacity for self-regulation. The Primal Trust framework, with its integration of nervous system science, somatic practices, and emotional processing, provides a comprehensive roadmap for this journey.

What emerges most powerfully from this conversation is the recognition that our bodies are not machines to be fixed but living systems with extraordinary intelligence. Practices like TRE, breathwork, and nervous system regulation tools aren't about forcing the body into submission but rather about creating the conditions for it to return to its natural state of balance. Lindsay's emphasis on titration, self-attunement, and living in alignment with one's true nature reminds us that healing is not a destination but an ongoing practice of presence, compassion, and connection—with ourselves, with nature, and with supportive community.

For practitioners working with chronic illness populations and for individuals on their own healing journeys, this episode offers both inspiration and practical wisdom. The message is clear: recovery doesn't require perfection or the elimination of all symptoms, but rather the expansion of capacity, the cultivation of resilience, and the courage to listen deeply to what the body is communicating. As Lindsay beautifully expresses, "It feels so good to be connected to yourself"—and perhaps that reconnection is the ultimate medicine we've been seeking all along.

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